This is for the ones who feel that quiet pull, the knowing that life is about more than just success, titles, or chasing the next big thing. Because it's not just about what you build, it's about how you show up and the story you write with your life. We're Ashton and Jordan, sisters, seventh-generation entrepreneurs, and your hosts. We're here to call you higher into your potential, your purpose, and the kind of life that feels rich in all the ways that matter.
Welcome to Legacy Creator.
knows that we're sisters, and I think a natural thing that comes along with that is just this, like, undeniable synchronicity. And I feel like you can even notice that and feel that in our podcast. When we started recording together, it was like, after the first episode, I was like, "There's something different about that." Like, there's some sort of connection and synchronicity that happens, and I feel like that aligned with our stories, our experiences, and our journeys last year that really shaped this season. And in our last episode, we talked about my big transformation in becoming a mom and just how that, like, shook up my entire life. It changed everything about the way I approached business and my every day. And it's so funny, because like, three months after giving birth, you had this huge transformation. Mm-hmm. And this had to do so much more with just like inner work, like behind the scenes, and I feel like that's the stuff that we don't often talk about a lot or enough in the business world. Like, we're so focused on strategy, we're so focused on these like external pieces, but in reality, like who you are within and like the strength that you're forging, like the resilience that you're creating and growing into, and just the ultimate like health of your being, that is the foundation for like your work, your creativity, your business. And so, we both have these experiences, but today, Jordan's in the hot seat. Oh lord. And I'm so excited to unpack this, and I feel like if you're tuning in today, you should, in a way, feel a little bit honored, because like Jordan's gonna invite you into this piece of her story that you haven't really shared publicly before. Mm-hmm. feel like, you know, you've shared it with your family, like gone through it and navigated it with your family—Mm-hmm.—and the people closest to you, but it's gonna be a really powerful conversation.
So, I wanna start by rewinding to 2024, like before this actual moment, transition period in your life where everything changed. Talk to me about the first like half of the year. Mm-hmm. And like, where, how was Jordan feeling? Like what was going on in her life?
Oh man, I feel like, oh, I feel like such a different person, but like still the same. It's so weird. I, looking back on last year, especially at like summertime, I'm just like reflecting on summer as like it was such a good time, like on the surface, I feel like it was, like when I look back at 2024, I think about summertime specifically and how like that sort of in a way like encompassed the year for me, where like it—it felt like I was, you know, thriving. I was like outside all the time, going to the pool, and like working on stuff, like creating content, like having a good time. But like looking back beneath the surface, like there was so much like anxiety and inner turmoil that like I wasn't addressing at the time, and that I was like ignoring, and ah, I mean, I'm like, I—I don't know. I'm trying to reflect back. I definitely like experienced like anxiety attacks and things like that. I'm sure that that was some—somewhat happening like last year and maybe 2023. And I just was like a ball of anxiety so much of the time. I was so stressed about work like much of the time for like no reason. I was just carrying a lot of—of stress and anxiety, and all the while, like kind of—kind of thriving on the surface, but not really. And then, it's like that weird thing of like you were just talking about how on social media, like you—y—you know, we don't always talk about certain things, and so it seems great. And that's kinda how that felt for me. I was like, it seems good on the surface, and I'm showing up online like, you know, everything's fine, like going about like my life like everything's normal. However, like behind the scenes, I was like, th—like, you know, I'm kinda struggling, but like I didn't wanna admit it at the time, or like I didn't wanna, I didn't wanna admit it to myself. I think that's what it was. Like for the longest time, I was like everything's great, but like not really. Like not, like under the surface, it was like not okay. And um, yeah, I just, I felt like, I felt stress, anxiety. I felt like generally like not content with where I was at, like I would complain a lot. Like that was something that was going on a lot last year. I would complain so much to like, you know, in private settings, like with my boyfriend or whatever, I would complain about like work, or like, "Oh, I just have so much content to get through all the time, and like when is it ever gonna end?" And just like going crazy about like stuff like that, whereas now, I'm like, I feel fine about it for the most part. But yeah, I felt like this discontentment, like dissatisfaction, and feeling like something's like off or like something is missing or just like generally unhappy, although I was like happy. In a weird sense, it was like, you know, I had, I have this great relationship with like my family. I have this boyfriend who I love, and like last year, I reconnected with like a couple old friends of mine that was like a really cool experience that I—I hadn't talked to in years. And it was like all these great things happening, but y—on the inside, I was just like, mm, like not feeling okay. Yeah. You know?
Yeah. And I think we've all been in those seasons where it's like our environment and everything on the outside like looks like all the boxes are being checked off, and we're like, you know, this should be great. Mm-hmm. right? But, like, why am I feeling, like, something off in my spirit? Why am I feeling like this misalignment is happening? And I can definitely attest to just, like, the anxiety. I mean, we would get on meetings and it just, like, you were a ball of anxiety—Yeah.—and just stress. And I was like, "Girlfriend, like, what can we do to, like, logistically help you out? Like, let's take this off your plate. Let's, like, introduce this structure." Let's, like, you know, I think we even talked about just things to, like, regulate your hormones and—Mm-hmm.—stuff like that, 'cause that's a very real thing. Yeah. But it was like, all these things we were addressing and trying to, like, problem solve for were, like, very on the surface. Mm-hmm. And in actuality, I think what you realize later on is, like, this misalignment was happening, like, deep within you—Yeah.—within your spirit. And so, that's what that year looked like up until the month of October. And I remember, like, you gave me a phone call and you were just, like, so out of sorts and upset. And you essentially had started to through this experience where, like, all of these things compounded. Mm-hmm. And so talk us through, like, you hit this wall. Yeah. Like, what did that look like?
Was this the phone call where I was, like, like, crying and, like, having my breakdown? I was, like, literally having a breakdown. Like, uh, what, wait, what was your question? I'm sorry, I'm just thinking about the phone call.
No, you're good. I'm just talking about when you hit this wall—Yeah.—and you were having this breakdown. Like, what was coming up for you? Like, what was this moment?
Yeah, I think I just had that realization that, like, you know, I wa—like, I finally accepted that, like, maybe something is off, or, like, maybe I, the way I've been doing things is, like, not working anymore, and this stuff that I've been doing isn't serving me. And I just, like, really, I finally hit the wall where I was like, "I can't keep living life this way. I can't keep, I can't keep doing this. Like, something has to change or else I'm gonna go crazy and live like this forever." And I felt like in that time when I kind of hit this wall, I felt like I was going insane. Like, I, I'm not e—like now looking back, I can, you know, I feel like, so disconnected from that moment now. But in the moment, I felt like I was going crazy because I felt so much conflict, I think. It was like, I, I, I'd been doing things for so long out of, uh, just what I wanted to do, the way I wanted to approach things instead of really listening to what I needed. And, like, you know, I felt like s—for so long there was, like, this voice in the back of my head that was like, "Hey, like, maybe let's not do this," or, "Hey, like, you need to rethink this." And I just was, like, ignoring that voice. And that, I think, is where so much of the conflict was coming from, was just within me. Like, I was having this inner battle of, like, you know, I kind of was at, like, a crossroads in my life and I was like, "I can either pick this path or this path." Like, I was at a fork in the road and I was like, "I need to, like, I need to choose, like, the, the right path and take the next best step that I can." And, um, yeah, it was, like, disorienting. Like, I felt like I was—I don't know. I, I ju—that's just the way I think to describe it to people, is like, I felt like I was actually going insane. And, like, the conflict within me w—there was so much friction and s—'cause I'd been doing things, like, that I, that I wanted to do and neglecting what I needed to do in my life. And it was just really, like, I, I was finally feeling at odds with that, and I finally realized, like, something's gotta change or, like, I need to, like, I need to make better decisions, I need to, like, do things differently. And yeah, it was, like, a really, really hard moment 'cause I was, like—yeah. I, yeah. Mm-hmm.
Yeah, it's like battling the want versus the need, and also, like, the picture of life that you think you may want or you should want versus, like, coming back to, like, your compass, like, your guiding light, your spiritual, like, relationship with the Lord, your core values and beliefs, and, like, just this solid foundation that I feel like you kinda just put to the side—Yeah.—in this season because, you know, you were just doing all the things that you wanted to do—Yeah.—and going down this path. It was like, I felt like, uh, and I'm, like, I'm in my 20s, but I felt like I, I had been living life like a rebellious teenager for a while in a way of just, like, "I just wanna do things how I wanna do it." You know? And like, you know, uh, did kind of sit certain things to the back burner, like my core beliefs of, like, what I, what I, like, the foundation of what I believe in was kind of like—I just kinda neglected it or just, like, ignored it and wasn't really, like—I was like, "I'm just gonna do what I want. I wanna be the—my teenage self for as long as I can be." And I don't know, I feel like that, you know, we all go through that season of life literally of being a teenager or—or at least being in that mindset of a teenager, but it was like, it was time to, like, grow up or, like, it was time to, like, m—move on, like, leave that chapter in the past and, like, really get back to, like, who I am at the core, what I do believe in. And like, it was almost like I, I have my, like, core belief system and—but, like, my actions and things that I was doing was kind of like opposing that. And I think that's where a lot of friction came from, because I was like, "I'm not living life by this belief system and thus I'm feeling this, like, crazy inner turmoil." Because, like, I don't know, it just felt like so much inner conflict because of that. Mm-hmm. So, yeah. Mm-hmm.
Yeah, and I think, like, I can relate to this in part, just kind of like getting lost with, you know, what you think that you want or you think that you should be doing or what seems, like, shiny and fun for a season, even, like, just simple distractions in business and a lot of the things that I feel like I—I kinda went down rabbit holes before, like becoming a mom, just distractions from like my own path and what I really believe, desire, and want. Because things kind of on the surface look shiny, and you can kinda be happy with those things for a season, but ultimately, eventually you're gonna hit this roadblock where you're gonna realize, like, "Okay, I've ventured off the path and, like, even though some of these things may have been fun for a time, like, if I don't change this, I'm not gonna ever feel that, like, alignment and peace within myself." And so, I feel like so much of this was just you coming back to you and your relationship with the Lord, your foundation that's always been within you, and ultimately battling, like, "Am I going to, like, stay on this path or am I going to make this change?" Yeah. "And, like, surrender to this change?" Yeah. And that's where you were when you called me. Yeah. And you kept going back and forth, "I don't know, like, what to do. Like, I'm making big life decisions right now and I don't know why, like, on the surface they look great, they feel great, but then deep down I feel so much turmoil." Mm-hmm. And you're like, "I know what I need to do but I don't wanna do it and it's so scary." Yeah. And I'm like, "Well, maybe it's not about, like, what you want, maybe it's about what you need." Yeah. And you were, I feel like, uh, outta that phone call the biggest takeaway was, like, I just kept saying that, like, "I know what I need to do, but I, like, don't want to." Or, like, "I feel like I can't bring myself to get there and to do that." And like, you just kept saying ki—very gently, like, you know, "Maybe you should listen to that voice and, you know, I know that it's hard but, like, you might need to do this." And yeah, it was just like, it was so hard and I felt such, like, confusion. Like I said earlier, I was, like, disoriented. Mm-hmm. I was disoriented and, like, didn't know what to do 'cause like, yeah. It was just that inner battle and I imagine it, like, if you're in a cave and you have, like, a dozen or more people, like, saying something and giving their input, it's gonna echo, it's gonna be so disorienting. Yeah. But if you are so firmly planted and grounded with that one inner voice, then that disorientation stops and everything aligns and is grounded again. Mm-hmm. And I think that that's like, that was like the storm—Yes.—and all of the swirling that happened right before—Yeah.—the calm and you, like, made your, you know, ultimate decision.
So like, what—Mm-hmm.—yeah. What did that look like after that moment?
Yeah. I mean, that's such a good way to put it. Um, I felt like, okay, so I was kind of at this crossroads in my personal life and I s—I did just make the decision to, like, listen to the inner voice because I'm like, "You know, the biggest regret I would have out of this moment is to, like, not listen to that." And for me it's like that inner voice being, like, my intuition but also, like, God and God speaking to me and being like, "Yeah, it's time to, like, move on, move forward and, like, you need to, like, get it together, girl," kind of thing, and like, this sort of tough love I felt, you know. And the way I envision it is like literally God grabbing my shoulders and shaking me and it, that, it, that, in that moment it felt kinda like that. It felt like this sorta, this sort of, like, rude awakening, this violent, like, not violent but kind of violent, like, wake up of like, oh, I'm, like, jolting awake. And it felt like God being like, "You need to, like, you need to listen to yourself but you need to listen to me and you need to, like, make the next best decision, uh, and just put one foot in front of the other." And finally I did. I sort of, like, yielded to that and, like, surrendered to it and just was like, "Okay. I will, I will just do what I feel like I need to do in my spirit even though it feels, like, horrible." Like, it, 'cause I, uh, like I said, I was just feeling so much inner conflict and everything, and it was so hard to, like, make that decision. And once I did, though, it, although it was, like, a difficult moment, I did feel this, like, newfound, like, peace. And it wasn't maybe instant, but I—I did feel like when I made the decision, I was like, "I feel like that's right in my gut," that, like, I need to listen to that inner voice saying, like, "You gotta, like, make the, make a different decision here. You gotta, like, change." Um, I—it felt right. And then, like, over the next few days, although it was, like, difficult, I felt, like, insane amount, an insane amount of peace, like, I had never really felt before. And it was almost like, I don't know, it was like divine intervention. And I felt more joy too, which was weird because, like, it was sort of a painful experience. It felt like a rebirth in a way, or li—like I was rediscovering myself. I was l—finally looking in the mirror and, like, acknowledging, like, what maybe I had been doing that wasn't serving me anymore. I made tha—I made the changes I needed to make in, like, an instant. It was, like, over one weekend of just, like, this inner battle I was going through, back and forth, finally, like, made the decision on, like, it was like Sunday and I was like, "I'm gonna listen to this voice." And Monday and Tuesday and Wednesday, I was just, like, over, like, the next few days, I just felt like the world was, like, opening up in front of me again. I felt so much, like, lighter. I felt like I had made the right decision, and I felt so much, like, closer to God too than I had in a—forever. And it just felt so good for me to, like, make that decision and say yes and follow that voice and, um, yeah. I've—I just honestly, it was, like, a lot of peace and a lot of joy, which was, like, weird. But like, it felt so good and I was like, "Yeah." It was also, like, reaffirming because I was like, "Okay, I made the, I made the right decision, I feel." Mm-hmm. Like, if I have all this peace and joy, then I did make the right decision and yeah.
Yeah.
I feel like a good way to describe it is before all of this, I feel like you were almost just, like, sleepwalking and kind of just going through the motions of life. Mm-hmm. You were kind of like a half version of yourself. Yeah. Like, not the truest version of yourself. And beyond, like, this roadblock and in this transition, I felt like you just, like, came so much more alive. Like, you were, like, radiating, like, peace and confidence. Mm-hmm. And like that anxiety, like, you still have your anxious moments, but it's not as, like, overwhelming and crippling—Yeah.—because you realign with, like, your spirit and—Yeah.—your, you know, soul, your relationship with the Lord, and what you ultimately believe that you, and know deep down, that you need to be doing with your life, with your time—Mm-hmm.—with your days. And it's just, yeah, it was so, so cool to see you go through the phases of that. Like, the initial—Mm-hmm.—breaking point being so intense, making that decision over the ma—the span of a few days, and just, like, all of the questioning that comes with that. Like, anytime you're gonna follow your gut and your intuition and your spirit, you can know that you need to do it, but that doesn't mean it's gonna be easy, especially when you're, like, letting go of a past version of yourself, when you're shedding something. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I mean, there can be pain and, like, turmoil that comes with that, but there's so much, like, redemption and liberation on the other side. And I feel like you're just, like, the freest version of you now. Yeah.
And when we were reflecting on this as well, we were just unpacking the truth that, like, we can take care of ourselves, like, on the surface. We can take care of, like, our mind, we can read, you know, incredible books, we can, uh, take care of our body and nourish ourselves and move, but it's mind, body, and spirit. And I feel like you had done a lot of work on, like, the mind and the body. That's, like, a whole other conversation for another time. Mm-hmm. But you, for y—for a couple of years, had really been working on just, like, pouring into yourself, pouring into your health and wellbeing. But I think that spiritual component was the last one, and it was just creating all of that misalignment—Yeah.—for you.
Definitely. I feel like, yeah, that was just, like, the missing piece 'cause, like, I mean, for the most part, my, like, you know, mind and body were pretty good. Although, like, I feel like you can always work on that. And I do feel like when I had this sort of reawakening and, like, God moment, I do feel like I then was starting to, you know, reprioritize that spiritual part of me. Um, but I feel like they're all kinda tied together too. And when I started sort of nourishing that part of myself again, like, I don't know, something happened to, like, my mindset, like, in an instant. It was like I was just so much more, like, I was just focusing on the right things again, I guess. I don't know. Like, I, I felt more joy. And I don't know, like, an—another thing that comes to mind is, like, last year and maybe even years before that, I had complained a lot. I was just, like, such a complainer. Like, I never really thought of myself that way but when I look back, I'm like, "I complained so much." And, like, that was, like, sometimes the, like, uh, topic of discussion with, like, you know, a friend of mine. I would just complain about, like, everything. And now I've had this sort of, like, 180 where it's like, I don't need to do that. Like, I, I because of this experience, now other things have kind of revealed themselves to me of, like, I, I'd had poor habits with that where I was just, like, complaining about everything and I'm like, you know, "That is a choice that we make." Like, you can complain and complain. There's so much to complain about, you know? It's so easy to complain. But I'm like, on, on the opposite side of that coin is, like, gratitude and I've been working on that as well, and I feel like that has come so much more naturally too since I had this experience of, like, coming back to myself and, you know, really getting to know God again and, like, reconnecting with, with that part of me. And, yeah, I just am, like, so much more grateful. I'm, like, grateful for every single day that I have and, like, I'm grateful for the, for everything in my life now. I feel like gratitude is just, like, number one thing on my mind lately. And yeah, I don't know. I feel like, yeah. The mind, body, and spirit though, I feel like they're all kind of connected and you need all 3. And like you said, you know, you can work out all you want, which is great, and you can read all the books and fill your brain with all sorts of knowledge, but if you are missing that spiritual component, I feel like it's so much easier to feel, like, discontent and dissatisfied and unhappy and un- unfulfilled and, you know, all the bad things. Just, like, all the bad things. I feel like it's so much easier to feel that way because you don't have that, like, thing, like, anchoring you, you know? Mm. Yeah.
Mm. Absolutely.
I was curious too, what, what are some of the things that you feel like led you to this place where you felt this misalignment, or you were complaining a lot, or, you know, you essentially had just kind of abandoned your core beliefs and values? Like, was it social media? Like, what types of influence? People? What, you know, what led to some of that?
My God, I feel like as—so, like, all of the above, I guess. Like, personal relationships in my life that were, like, not the most healthy. Uh, people, like, people's voices being in my head that, like, you know, were kind of distracting me. Like, you, that image you have of, like, the cave and all the voices bouncing off. I feel like, you know, just personal relationships in my life that were, like, having too much of a say or I was just, like, relying on their input too much and, uh, not really listening to myself. I feel like, you know, social media can just be the biggest distraction and, like, just, like, so noisy. I feel like, you know, when I look back on 2024 and maybe even before then, I feel like a really good way to, like, quantify it or describe it would be, it was, like, one of the noisiest seasons of my life because I had, you know, n—noise from social media, I had noise from people who had too, too much of a say in my mind that I didn't even realize, you know, were influencing me in that way. Um, I literally could not stand silence. It was so, like, that part of my life, I was like, noise all the time, constant distraction, literally distracting myself as much as I possibly could from, like, the inner voice that was just, like, lingering there. Like, "Hey, like, you're ignoring this," or, "You're ignoring this voice that's, like, calling you back to yourself. You're ignoring your core beliefs that you've always believed in and why is that?" And I would literally, like, I always had something, some sor—some form of media going. Like, I always had YouTube on or a TV show or, uh, when I would go on walks, I had music in my earbuds. I, every time I was in the car, I had music going and, you know, I was always talking to, like, a friend or whatever it may be. Like, it was, it was just constant distractions and constant, like, noise. And I literally would not—I, I don't even know if there was m—much time that I gave myself to really sit in silence. Like, and it's funny too 'cause I feel like I was really, like, trying to preach that, you know, to, like, people in our audience, be like, "You need to, like, sit in silence and really get to know, like, yourself." And it's like, yes, I agree with that but I wasn't living it out. And it was just so loud all the time and all of, all of that said, I feel like it was just all a form of distraction to just keep me from, like, really, I don't know, thinking for myself and getting back to, like, truth. And—yeah, it was just, uh, a whole lot of noise and a whole lot of distraction. And that is one big takeaway that, like, genuinely, if you find yourself, like, living life like that, I w—I cannot, like, recommend that more. Like, I can't recommend that enough to just, like, be silent. Like, now when I go on walks, it is, like, no form of media. I am literally, like, dead silent or I am in silence on my walks and usually, like, talking to God and just having, like, quiet time to, like, think for myself. Sometimes in the car, which, like, this is new for me. I feel like I've never done this. But, like, sometimes in the car now, I just, like, don't have any music playing, which is like, I've always been that person that I always have music blasting in my car 'cause I love, like, driving around listening to music. And even that, I was like, "I need, like, quiet, like real quiet and silence and space." Like, I, I needed, in that moment where I hit that, you know, roadblock or hit that wall, I just—that was one of the biggest things I felt like I actually really needed that I had not been giving myself, was like solitude and silence and to, like, quiet the voices and the influences that were, you know, swaying me too much or swaying me, like, away from who I really am at the core. And, w—I don't know. I had to kind of remove some of those distractions. I had to set some boundaries with people that, like, I hadn't really set boundaries with and just say, like, "I need space." And like, I don't mean that in a rude way. I just need—I need time to literally be alone. And when I say that too, it's like, yes, I was spending time with myself and with God, but I was also really leaning on my family, like, during that time and during this sort of, like, personal pivot that happened for me, uh, of just, like, returning to myself. My family was, like, biggest support ever that, like, I relied on for everything. I went to Ashton all the time. She was there for me. And like, my parents, like, I just went back to, like, my family. Though, I went back to my roots. I went back to, like, that safe place and, like, just really relied on, on those figures in my life that had always been there and really just leaned on them in that, in that moment.
So, I do feel like that is such a problem in our world today, just the constant, like, disconnection from yourself because there is so much noise. And we hear that all the time, and that can sound so cliche, but like, dude, we're all being influenced often all day, every day—yes—because of our consumption patterns and habits. Yeah. And that's just simply not healthy. Like, who and what are you allowing to have a voice, a say, a sway in your life and how you live? And I think that, you know, it is just so ironic because I know you so well, and you are, like, the more quiet, contemplative individual—Mm-hmm.—even more so than me. And the fact that you were just in noise all the time says so much about how you got to that ultimate place—Mm-hmm.—of just, yeah, just going through the motions, like, truly disconnected from your spirit, from your gut. It just says a lot. So, I think that's a good reminder for everyone listening. Like, are you truly connected to yourself and your spirit and your being, the Lord, like, your anchor, your guiding light? Who and what is, like, having a say in your life, and is it positive, you know? Mm-hmm. Too much influence can be a really, really bad thing too 'cause everyone's gonna have conflicting things that they're saying to you. So—
I'm curious too, once you went through this experience and you surrendered to this process, what were some of the things that you started doing again? You spoke to this a little bit already, but you started doing things again to really nourish yourself spiritually.
Definitely started going on my walks, which like, I, I think I had already kind of started doing a little bit, but, like, that became a very big thing for me that I, I just knew I needed, like, to have that quiet time, um, which I f—you know, quiet time with God. Like, you know? And I still do that when I go on my walks for the most part. Sometimes it's, like, quiet, and I'm not really th—you know, thinking about much. I'm just, like, enjoying nature. But, like, most of the time when I'm on my walks, I'm, like, praying and, like, you know, talking to God about what, whatnot, and just really, like, nourishing that connection. Another thing I started doing again was just, like, I don't know, uh, I don't—like, some of my habits kind of shifted. I feel like I started, like, you know, I started the mornings with, like, the Word, and just getting anchored there because I had not been reading the Bible in, like, forever. And, you know, that's something that I know is super important is, like, nourish yourself with that, and I had not been doing that for the longest time, and I felt, like, instantly called back to that, and I was like, "I need to just do this again." So it was, like, earl—I, I mean, the days after this sort of crazy experience happened, I was, like, instant—like, naturally waking up at, like, 5:00 AM. I don't know why. But I was just, like, I don't know. It was like I, I felt like a new person in a sense, and I f—just felt renewed, I guess. And I instantly would just wake up and, like, start reading the Bible, and having some God time in the morning, and I feel like that's so important to, like, start my day like that, you know? It feels so, like, grounding. And I still do my walks, and really just, like, enjoy nature. I am just, like, so amazed at nature all the time, and I'm just like, "Wow, this is beautiful." Like, that makes me feel connected to God. And yeah, so I, I don't know. I think those would probably be the biggest things, and just overall, like, more, like, quiet time in my days, more silence to, like, just like exist, and be, and think for myself, and like—like I said, I used to, like, play music all the time, and, like, even in the shower I used to play music a lot. And sometimes that's still fun. Like, I like listening to music and just singing, 'cause, like, that's such a vibe. But, I feel like even that, even that has kind of shifted for me, and I'm like, you know, I usually have, like, silent showers now, 'cause I'm like, the more silence you can get into your days, like, I'm so serious, it is, like, I don't know, it—it—it's felt so refreshing for me, 'cause I'm like, you know. I do enjoy social media. I'm one of those people, like, you know, in some regard I really like social media and I like playing around on there. Um, I love the internet. But man, there's so much noise on there, and it's so, it's so nice to have that quiet time in my day, in—you know, when I'm showering or on a walk, to just, like, shut off the noise, and like, stop scrolling, and stop even like, like I said, I had been, you know, maybe talking to my friends, like, all the time about whatever. I was, like, lessening the amount of time I was spending, like, talking about certain things, complaining, and talking to certain people, and kind of just, like, getting back to some quiet time, and some silence that has felt so, like, that's felt so necessary for me, and moving forward even, I'm still, like, carrying that with me. Like, silence is golden.
Oh my God.
Really. Silence? What even is silence now that I'm a mom?
Yeah, but honestly, I think that's something that I can speak to. I'm sure there are other, like, moms listening to this, and your version of this is gonna look so different. And, you know, man, if you're not a mom yet, you better be, like, soaking up, like, any quiet personal time. Like, just do it. Just soak it up. Mm-hmm. But, you know, I think finding pockets of time to just, like, choose yourself, choose your spiritual life. Like, I have choices every single morning, like, whether or not I'm gonna just jump into my day. Mm-hmm. Um, use nap time to, like, jump into my day, or like, take a few minutes to, like, sit in silence, pray, just pour into myself spiritually, and you know, it doesn't have to be a long time. It could be, like, 5 to 10 minutes, and you, you know, you'll have to do what's realistic for your season of life. And I think there's so much more to this too, just knowing that, like, you can be connected and, like, in tune spiritually, even when, you know, your life feels chaotic and crazy, and like, you know, Leo's sitting next to me and I'm trying to do, like, my devotion, and you just do what you gotta do in that season. Uh, something else I'm feeling really called to as well is just, like, in the evenings, instead of, like, letting TV time be my unwinding and, like, calming down—Mm-hmm.—because I've just been, like, doing all the things all day for my baby, like, doing, you know, a little bit of that, but like, also end the day with, like, reading, or prayer, or quality time with Josh, and you know, just implementing that in a way that's, like, accessible for your season of life. Mm-hmm. And I think it's important for everyone, like, no matter if, you know, you're in a season that's busy and crazy and you have a bunch of kids or not, I think a couple minutes a day is something we can all do.
Yeah.
So, let's kind of sum some of this up. Any, like, big lessons that you learned that you just wanna, like, pass along to our listeners, and I know you already hit on a really big one—Mm-hmm.—which is just, like, more quiet time. Yeah. More silence. I think that's a huge, huge one. Like, genuinely. Like, if your days are super busy and, like, you know, I, I'm, like, try to find pockets of, of, like, silence and quiet where you can, 'cause like, I, it's just so important. But, like, another big thing that comes to mind that I have kind of touched on was, like, what you need sometimes outweighs what you want. Like, I cannot stress that enough. Like, if you feel like you've been maybe neglecting what you need because you've just been wanting to live your life a certain way, your needs are super important and they need to be met. They need to be met, like, for real. So I'm like, that was one of the biggest takeaways for me is, like, I was just neglecting what I needed for the longest time and I hit a wall. Like, I literally hit a wall with it and had to go through this sort of crazy experience. And yeah, I'm like now I, I feel like I am better about, like, you know, trying to prioritize what I need in my daily life. Like, I need to exercise even though I don't want to. Like, there is some days where I'm like, "I'm not feeling it," but I'm like, I need to for my own sake of, like, my physical health but also my mental sanity. Working out is, like, so helpful for me to, like, stay sane. And the same thing applies to, like, the spiritual part of you. It's like, you need to nourish that, like, seriously or else, like, it's probably gonna catch up to you at some point if you're not, like, nourishing that, that part of you, 'cause I feel like we're all, you know, spiritual beings in human bodies. And yeah, it's just, like, so important to prioritize that, and don't neglect that part of you. It's like—yeah.
Um, what else? What else comes to mind?
Oh—
I just wanted to follow that up—Yeah.—with saying that, like, I do feel like our generation is so in touch with what they want, and I feel like we're taught to follow what we want all the time because that's the empowering path. Like, do what you want, you know, no matter what. Yeah. When in actuality, we're just operating like little children. Mm-hmm. It's like, my kid might not want to take a nap, but he needs rest. My kid might want to have, like, a bowl of ice cream, but he needs carrots. Whatever it is, you know? It's like we're just kind of running around, like, aimlessly following things that, like, we want and that are fun. Eventually, that does catch up with you. Like, sometimes life is going to require more than that. It's going to require more maturity. And your business too, like, it's just gonna require that you follow what is necessary, what is needed, because that does sometimes outweigh what we want, so—yeah. I just think that's a really good point to make.
That's true.
Another thing that came to mind was, like, the gratitude thing, and I did kind of mention this as well. But, like, just something I struggled with for so long was just complaining about my circumstances or, like, comparing my life to someone else's, 'cause that was so easy to do in this digital age, just, like, compare yourself to, like, someone else's life online. And I feel like the biggest thing I've been trying to do, like, every day is just, like, be grateful for, like, everything that I have. Like, literally, I th—almost every single morning I wake up and I'm like, I'm like, "I'm so grateful for this day. Like, I'm so grateful." Like, I genu—it's so genuine too, and like, so, like, every day is a new opportunity and, you know, I'm so grateful for, like—and sometimes, a—another thing here I'll say is, like, I've had moments recently where I was, like, spiraling or I was just, like, really in a bad state of mind. There was one moment in particular, I think a few weeks ago or a month or two ago where this happened. I was, like, really, like, having just a moment of, like, struggling, and I sat there, I would think I was, like, crying. I don't know why. I can't, I don't even know. But I literally just started listing off out loud things that I was grateful for. Like, even if it was, like, broad, I was like, "You know, I'm grateful for—" I literally was in my room, "I'm grateful for my bed. You know, I have a really great bed and some people don't have a nice bed like this, you know?" And I, like, genuinely was just trying to, like, get myself out of the frame of mind I was in. And I'm not kidding, it, like, helped. Like, I just kept doing that, I kept saying what I was grateful for until, like, the other feelings I was going through, like, went away, and then I was like, "You know, like, everything's fine." Like, gratitude is such a big thing, and, like, being grateful for what you have, I can't recommend that enough, the practice of just, like, gratitude, reminding yourself of, like, what you can be grateful for. It's like, it's good to set goals for yourself and, and, and cast vision for the future of where you wanna be someday, but if you can't be grateful for what you have in the present, then, like, man, it, I, yeah, I'm just like, that is, that is the biggest thing I, I would recommend. Mm-hmm.
It's like, what are you gonna do with it and what, what attitude are you gonna have as this, as the time passes, and like, as your days pass? It's like, you know, am I gonna, like, fret through my days and be anxious and be like, "I need to get to work and I need to get all this stuff done," or am I gonna, like, slow down and, like, chill out and just, like, go with the flow? Mm-hmm. So, like, that's another thing that I feel like has been a big takeaway, is just slowing down and, like, enjoying my life and being grateful for everything in my life. Yeah.
It's like where your focus goes, your energy flows, and you call all of that right back to you. So if you're complaining all the time, if you're, you know, putting out negativity and frustration and anger, like, all of that's just gonna come back to you. You are gonna attract that back into your life, and I think that so much of it is about, like, taking control again of, like, your attitude, your perspective, your energy, because we actually get to choose those things. Mm-hmm. Like, feelings are gonna come up all the time, but are you gonna allow your feelings to guide you, to dictate your every move? Feelings are fickle. Like, they aren't a true, solid foundation. And so, we have to find ways to choose the energy that we're gonna bring that day, to choose gratitude, to keep perspective, and I feel like that's something you've learned so much in this season that we all need to—we all need that reminder. And I also think of this book that Josh recently shared with me. He read this little passage in there that said basically any time you hear something that on the surface sounds negative, your response should just be "good." So it's like, "Awesome, my baby is not going down for his nap and I have to hold him. Good, I get to cuddle with him." Or our AT&T guy, he came like 8 hours earlier than he was scheduled to come. "Good, we get our wifi back on sooner." Just responding to these things in our life that come up and actually choosing a positive perspective, like, choosing positive energy and knowing that not every day is gonna feel exciting and positive and amazing, but at least doing your part to choose gratitude, to bring that energy that you want to bring into your days. Mm-hmm. I think that's just a really good reminder for every single one of us.
Yeah.
You get to choose how you posture yourself in life, and like, I feel like you can choose, like, peace too. You know, I think about, like, this sort of experience I went through. I feel like, you know, I faced this head-on, and then I, you know, made the choice to, like, change the way I'd been living my life, and that brought peace. And I feel like it was, like, divine, divine intervention on my behalf, but I do feel like now, it's like it is up to me. It's like, yes, I feel like, uh, you know, God helped me through that, like, experience. But I feel like now it is up to me, like, every day to, like, choose that, like, peaceful stance, i—i—that peaceful posture and to just choose to be, like, grateful for everything in my life. Like, I get to have that choice and—
Yeah.
Ultimately, I feel like this is just a reminder to come back to you, to, like, give yourself that freedom, that permission, that space to, like, come back to you, to really nourish yourself. Like, body, mind, spirit. Tune out the noise. Like, get regrounded and recentered with your own gut and intuition and inner voice. And that sounds so cliche. There's a reason why cliches exist. It's so important, not just for your business, but, like, your genuine, like, quality of life. so, I think that's really one of the biggest takeaways from this episode. This was so fun, just diving into your personal experience and journey, and just painting more of a picture and bringing more perspective as to why we're doing this season. And it's not just because we want to sit here and preach to you. We're, uh, we're trying to share what we're actively walking out, living out, and feeling like our community, and even our larger generation, needs this message and needs this simple reminder to come back to your roots, to who you are, to what you really desire, and this episode was just a beautiful reminder to do just that.
Thanks, Jo.
Thanks.
Eee! Love you.
Love you!
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